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welcome to the skeptic sir the podcast

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area host Richard Saunders and Stefan

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Soyka Richard welcome along one more

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time one more time hello Stefan you know

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I thought that that introduction by our

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voiceover man Jamal show this week

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sounded a bit different it actually

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sounded quite intimate quite quite close

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the proximity of the voiceover was was

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just the modern modern technology you

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think he's in the same room with it

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feels almost as if he's in the same room

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with us in fact he is let's get on with

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it hello Jim Jim's here female voiceover

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man from and now it's time for dr.

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Richie reports and it's a grain of salt

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and all the rest he's here in the room

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with us you know I didn't even know he

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was a real person I thought he wasn't

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really I thought he was a voiceover from

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another realm adda voiceover generated

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me hear something I used to be and

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you've been down now I'm here oh it's

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good to see you and it's makes this

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oness slightly more um crowded it does

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in our little studio does but I'm

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pleased to say that not only will Jim be

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joining us later in the show for the

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think tank oh yes he will you see well

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last night at skeptics in the pub here

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in Sydney Jim gave a live read of one of

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these skeptical palms about the these

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funny energy power bracelets ah I

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allowing anyone who makes fun of those

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silly things but it's surprising because

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jim has said welcome to the skeptic zone

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now a hundred and twenty four times

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because this is episode number 124 for

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the fourth of March it's 125 actually

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because this is the second time we've

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done this oh we're gonna be professional

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about this and counting the pilot that

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we did it's 126 are the pilot that was

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never seen those they were saying I'm

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not practiced that you have practice

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that's probably a hundred 727 any

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advance 127 alright what the official

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what episode is it especially now after

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all that it is still officially episode

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124 ah Jimmy must be exhausted as we are

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what if you're honest have only said it

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twice well Richard welcome along again

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thank you and Jim and so what are we

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gonna happening it's a big shot it's

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always richer it's a huge show it to you

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show it is it bigger if you don't bigger

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than that yes it's so big this show is

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so big it goes as far as norway norway

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we know what's happening in norway we're

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going to be speaking to Kristin Carlson

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from the Norwegian skeptics the

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Norwegian skeptics Weejun skeptics yeah

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I don't know they're pretty big on cold

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reading up there aren't they Oh Jim do

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you want to be a host answer to him it's

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no way oh thank you various kristin is

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going to be speaking to us our rider

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magica skype all about the Norwegian

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skeptics and her activities are

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promoting science and reason in that

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part of the world actually I actually

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thought they were quite reasonable up

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there already are there actually people

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in Norway that are into whoo whoo I'm

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and then there will be tomorrow and

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there always will be um but no she's

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great fantastic interview coming up also

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on today's show dr. Richie Maynard and I

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went to Armageddon thank you again it

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really that was the movie or you

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actually experience the experience that

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we experienced the end of the world we

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have a special report from the end of

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the world really now those who is like

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an anime fest here in Sydney and science

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fiction and all that sort of stuff we're

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interviews michael McConaughey who does

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things like that oh yeah a few stories

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I'm sure is that and talking he's a sort

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of guy who would probably say in a world

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gone mad oh you know that sort of stuff

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same time we had the think tank of

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normal think tank or as I've got an

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extra special one this week no it's

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really boring this long oh yeah now Jim

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special week having Jimmy that it is it

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is that's really fantastic we've got a

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new segment by Joanne been amoo all

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called reality bites is that so yet

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reality does bite it certainly does

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it's it's a big show stiff from our

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prince is so big we better get out of

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show I have to do it all right and I'm

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delighted to say that through the magic

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for having me old oh it's our pleasure

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my attention when i was looking at all

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the wonderful videos coming in from

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around the world just recently with a 10

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little video from Oslo yeah you are

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right at the front conducting everybody

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in taking the the little sugar pills how

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sort of international coordinator I

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more plans than that so I sort of

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forums I sort of managed to hook up with

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gathering on the day and we managed also

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people up in Trondheim as well which was

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Norway's well which was great in also we

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little sugar pills and doing the thing

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video it looked like y'all having an

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interesting time and there was one guide

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any uniform beautiful it was a military

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uniform yeah it took the trip trip down

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video which newest video thousands and

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thousands of people around the world

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including myself got to see and got to

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see your efforts there yeah I do what I

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mean the impression I had when he did it

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was offered so called because we when we

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sudden be helped and those is good that

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campaign itself that's quite handy

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onion sugar pills into the cafe to

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sweeten your coffee all right I guess

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almost did as well have have some

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leftovers what's your story and why why

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did you end up being the the front lady

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apartment what you've just told us

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something the longer your story getting

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all I can say is that really more than I

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would have imagined has happened the

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last year only I guess I guess it all

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started when I began at the university I

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studied for a degree there I've always

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been really interested in astronomy so I

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what you might call open to stuff just

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interested in lots of mystical things I

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guess curiouser yeah I Marie Curie's you

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know but to me I didn't really know the

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difference between the science Fitz and

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the pseudoscience bits that's what I

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kind of learned at the University so it

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but he did a bit of help when it comes

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to that you know I was reading about

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some really weird stuff like black holes

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which really interested me and I thought

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that I thought about that the same way

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as I did when I read about UFOs and

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ghosts you know I just had to learn the

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difference the university hoped as well

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as my love for reading blogs I really

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like bugs as a medium so I started

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reading bad astronomy blog field plates

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blog which I feel played yes come up

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really into what they write about

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especially the the geeky and sciency

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stuff and so yeah I guess my love of the

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internet and in combination with a bit

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of control from the my studies prevented

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could have been gone [\h__\h] wait yeah yes

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it could have absolutely you can listen

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to all the way in the internets just

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different so it's it's interesting

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exercise to go along and weed out which

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ones are correct I guess that's why we

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come back to the scientific method and

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skepticism again it's also a wonderful

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way for helping you weed out which is

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good and bad on the internet yeah things

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it's a way of thinking and looking at

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the world that I find really sort of

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giving I guess any interesting topic you

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can stumble over mine was skepticism I

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don't remember going from this sort of

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more believing person to being a skeptic

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guess I was not I was never a religious

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particularly little it religiously you

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knowing about James Randy's four million

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dollar challenge long before I went

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right into skepticism and I thought that

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was a great thing I mean I believed in

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lots of paranormal stuff but I thought

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that was a great thing that that there

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was a challenge to sort of prove it as

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well so it was a really slow thing and

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about doing being a skeptic was in 2009

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when I found out about the first-ever

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amazing meeting held in London uh-huh

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yes I really wanted to go to that and I

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did I remember there being so many

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been announced that mr. Randy in a

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coordinated by the Norwegian humanist

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association is actually visiting Norway

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and march on the eighteenth of much

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the 20 21st and 22nd fell because man

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gets around he's incredible I mean well

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now let me rephrase that and it's the

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word that keeps coming up about Randy

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he's amazing he's really amazing yeah

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it's really really really nice to talk

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to as well so when when I got back from

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discussion forums that I go to and I

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started going to the sort of skeptic

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meetups at the pub in Oslo and that's

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when I sort of really got to know the

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people that I hang out with now and then

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um I guess some of them there was a

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couple of them talking about being

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really really motivated from going to

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Tamland and wanting to do something

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similar in Oslo and there was sort of

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asking is there an interest in this and

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holding a conference in Oslo skeptics

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conference I was like I am in I'd no

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idea what to do i'm in just count me in

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and suddenly I i find myself you know co

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organizing Norway's for a skeptic

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conference we had that last October

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which was a huge success to you know our

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writing angler was were thinking I

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really think about doing this again and

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we're gonna start planning it soon

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uh-huh what that sounds fantastic well

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my name's Richard Saunders and I can

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speak on all sorts of things and I've

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never been to a slow and that is that

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voted as of that again no we had we had

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some really really cool guests we had

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our sort of eminence eminent guests from

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abroad were obviously Simon seeing in

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rebecca watson the game over which is

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really great and as well as loads of

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really good speakers from norway and

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sweden and yeah i was reading good

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turnouts well we thought what a

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fantastic thing that you've done that

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that you were inspired and other people

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like you are inspired by the internet

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and then by going to a tab and and that

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to progress that to being active locally

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which i think is a wonderful thing and

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I'm and it's happening all around the

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world especially here in Australia that

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I've noticed that after how recent am

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more people want to be active locally

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yeah it's a wonderful thing and wow the

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adventures that await you I can I can't

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tell you yes amazing things you're going

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to discover and find out and be involved

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with especially when you do

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investigations into the paranormal or or

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maybe you helped bring down a Charlotte

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and that that's a that's a quite a good

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feeling yeah I would love to do some

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sort of investigations myself it would

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be really nice oh I'm sure you will I'm

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sure there are plenty of haunted houses

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in Oslo hey man maybe maybe you're nice

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we'll find out wow that's it exactly you

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or not now one of the interesting things

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that is struck me while I'm chatting

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with you on the video of course you

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obviously did the video in Norwegian and

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the little lovely little ad for yours

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the skeptics say you sent me was in

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Norwegian yet your English is

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practically flawless did you spend a

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long time in England or do a lot of

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Norwegians are good English speakers I

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die I think my impression is that most

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Norwegians have a little problem

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speaking English under anyone going and

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animal speak English who goes to Norway

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will have no problem and being

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understood and communicating so yeah

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that's it's a very common thing to begin

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to be you know relatively yeah yeah

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knowledgeable in English and being able

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to speak it so well that's really

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interesting to hear because it means

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that getting

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access to information which is as it

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happens mostly in English about what we

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do is relatively easy I imagine there

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are some countries people in some

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countries around the world who want to

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get into skepticism or anything and hit

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a bit of a language barrier yeah and

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that's I think good advice as well as to

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do more blogs and do more sort of

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information channels in your local

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language as well I mean I i have a blog

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and I I make a point of blogging in

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Norwegian because i think that's that's

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really important because there are there

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are loads and loads of really good

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sources out there in English that so we

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need more we need more in Norwegian as

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well doing this I in fact why why you

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mentioned that where can people look at

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your blog where can they go well I guess

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I'll have to spell it out if I'm going

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to say but yeah my blog you know we just

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got Luke arsonist PR okay our AST I nu F

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T dot n 0 but yeah if they go to my

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twitter profile which is that nerd woman

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they any problems figuring out where to

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to look for my blonde is that yes

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everybody listening please our friend

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Kristen on Twitter that nerd woman what

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a great what a great twitter address it

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is so what are your immediate plans

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lining up another convention doing some

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more publicity writing the blog are you

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going to do a podcast maybe well I'm

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glad you mentioned it because we've

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actually started a podcast we are in our

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infancy yet but we're closing up on 10

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episodes actually we're doing every

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second week we do we meet up or six

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people who meet up at skype and a

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recorded podcast which is I think it's

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really great and everyone should listen

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to it and that's also something that

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came out though we're very motivated

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we're really starting to get get things

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going for skepticism here in Norway we

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have to have a podcast you know oh yes

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and so yeah yeah I actually am an

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important cast as well

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as well as a bit more organized version

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of the skeptics in the pub just started

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also after the conference in Oslo last

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year yeah we just had George shrub doing

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concert organised by us he's really

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great by the way he said is he said to

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tell you I spoke to him and said to tell

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you that he'll always treasure the

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afternoon you and he spent in the hot

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tub but that that koala never responds

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to his emails yeah that's another story

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we'll get into that later yeah yes just

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worry about that site no thank you

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George yes now people can find out about

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that podcast at the add your blog oh

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yeah yeah I link to it so it's really

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great what's the name of the podcast

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then podcasters softly if I would sure

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which means says of the the most the

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most important tools a skeptic has which

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is the pinch of salt well listen Chris

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and I'm delighted to to learn about you

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and to see you on youtube I hope you do

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some more video so we can get to see

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more of you and I can wish I wish you

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all the best and every success with the

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your life in skepticism and if i can get

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to norway by any means possible maybe on

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the back of a donkey or whatever it

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takes i really hope i can visit and see

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you all oh you're very welcome that'd be

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nice thanks very much thank you it's

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hi I'm audit by Kristen or even tipsy

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dicen lo she lifted up the skeptic zone

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a blog gear up a BF a podcast of reading

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and skip sistema Schlichten this drama

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calendar / activity or link eternity

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research it skips this blog in of

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totality I'm lay autodesk ateres hefty

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thought it's reality bites with Java and

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Ben amoo the australian competition and

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consumer commission or a triple c has

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commenced federal legal proceedings in

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perth western australia against winneth

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graham over alleged claims that she and

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her associates are able to cure cancer

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the HR will see alleges that Miss grams

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conduct breaches Australian Consumer Law

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which prohibits false or misleading

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representations about performance

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characteristics uses or benefits of

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services miss Graham is associated with

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the spiritual healing Association of

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western australia and the australian and

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international peace operations limited

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through which is alleged to have

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promoted these cures on a number of

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websites since january this year the

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website of the spiritual healing

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association of western australia states

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that spiritual healing is the way to go

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to curing cancer you can say goodbye to

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alternate medicine or radiation terrible

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chemotherapy or hospital waiting periods

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they claim to be a hundred percent

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effective and cure cancer by a

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life-giving force only through the power

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of the spirit even though the a triple c

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have disabled the listed websites i was

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able to access cached copies of two of

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the sites you can see a list of these

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sites on the a triple c website

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which we will link to from the skeptics

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own page the service is delivered in

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kununurra a remote town of about seven

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thousand people in far northwestern

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Australia participants must cover their

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own travel and accommodation the cost to

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be cured is 495 dollars with discounts

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for pensioners and you can only be cured

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if you have cancer their powers do not

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extend to cover other illnesses the

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matter has been fast-tracked and is next

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listed for mention on the fourth of

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March 2011 on a related note while

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researching the story I discovered that

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the spiritual healing Association of

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Western Australia is listed on the

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online business directory start local

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under the category radiation oncology

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specialists in Australia start local

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claim to manually approve all entries

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submitted to their site but it is not

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clear how they determine whether an

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individual or business is legitimate

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this is particularly important for an

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organisational individual offering any

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medical service I wrote to start local

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for comment this is Joe been hibou for

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the skeptics own podcast let me just

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what did they now Jim Jim someone whom

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you may not recognize but you might

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recognize the voice here we go

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apparently I say this every week welcome

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to the skeptic zone the podcast from

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Australia for science and reason you

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shouldn't have to read that Jim is out

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the voiceover man he does all the the

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voice links for the skeptic zone it's

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great to have him up for a couple of

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days to visit us we're going over to

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Stefan's who does the music tomorrow and

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we're going to do a whole lot more

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recording but I'll hand you over to Jim

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at the moment who would like to read one

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of these wonderful skeptical palms for

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you thank you Richard this is call em

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I think that I should warn you I'm

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empowered so watch out at a newfound

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source of energy from my wrist or round

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about a piece of pretty plastic which is

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imbued with special power the alignment

543
00:24:32,789 --> 00:24:29,440
of the molecules is like running through

544
00:24:36,090 --> 00:24:32,799
a shower tingling down by torso with

545
00:24:39,210 --> 00:24:36,100
special energy from within a holographic

546
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:39,220
gift from God but straight from nature's

547
00:24:45,570 --> 00:24:42,369
bin that natural source of pure power

548
00:24:47,279 --> 00:24:45,580
packed deep inside the planet I'm not

549
00:24:49,799 --> 00:24:47,289
sure if it's electronic because I

550
00:24:52,529 --> 00:24:49,809
haven't tried to scan it don't wanna

551
00:24:55,289 --> 00:24:52,539
fool with mother nature and Who am I to

552
00:24:59,369 --> 00:24:55,299
know things which science can't explain

553
00:25:01,769 --> 00:24:59,379
and laboratories can't grow that's like

554
00:25:04,259 --> 00:25:01,779
dabbling with the ether which binds us

555
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:04,269
in this soup you buy gold about with

556
00:25:10,229 --> 00:25:06,690
that and you be left outside the loop

557
00:25:13,409 --> 00:25:10,239
should i buy some more so I can stick

558
00:25:16,460 --> 00:25:13,419
them on my ankles give my legs a little

559
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:16,470
lift and in those saw arch rankles

560
00:25:22,289 --> 00:25:19,450
another one by other wrist to keep my

561
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:22,299
balance in check and I bet it by her

562
00:25:28,650 --> 00:25:25,570
fifth I guess to string around my neck

563
00:25:32,340 --> 00:25:28,660
maybe there are private parts I really

564
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:32,350
should wear one on track one down my

565
00:25:39,290 --> 00:25:35,970
trousers until that each is fully gone

566
00:25:42,810 --> 00:25:39,300
there's nothing you can't fix with this

567
00:25:47,310 --> 00:25:42,820
breathtaking ring they slit anklet

568
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:47,320
necklace which makes you like a king bow

569
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:50,530
to me all you suckers for I have the new

570
00:25:57,270 --> 00:25:53,890
magical band which unleashes lots of

571
00:25:59,960 --> 00:25:57,280
elements that are otherwise unplanned so

572
00:26:03,570 --> 00:25:59,970
they are focused in a constant line

573
00:26:05,910 --> 00:26:03,580
centering your thought I think it's

574
00:26:09,750 --> 00:26:05,920
truly amazing that all this power can be

575
00:26:13,170 --> 00:26:09,760
bought still it's such a little price to

576
00:26:15,300 --> 00:26:13,180
pay for something that's priceless you

577
00:26:18,660 --> 00:26:15,310
see I've seen it on the wrists of some

578
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:18,670
might call Vice 'less unless they've

579
00:26:26,090 --> 00:26:22,090
just been sucked in by the power of the

580
00:27:03,650 --> 00:26:26,100
word and getting tainted by this plastic

581
00:27:11,909 --> 00:27:08,820
well dr. AG Atlanta has dragoncon Sydney

582
00:27:13,890 --> 00:27:11,919
has Armageddon we're down at Sydney

583
00:27:15,620 --> 00:27:13,900
Olympic Park and we've just walked into

584
00:27:18,060 --> 00:27:15,630
the dome which is where it's being held

585
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:18,070
and just taking it all in but it's

586
00:27:23,460 --> 00:27:20,770
looking very similar to say one of the

587
00:27:25,830 --> 00:27:23,470
vendor pulls at dragoncon where they

588
00:27:29,070 --> 00:27:25,840
have the stall set up and they sell lots

589
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:29,080
of merchandise in zone but there's also

590
00:27:33,510 --> 00:27:30,970
a lot of people dressed up Richard I'm

591
00:27:35,430 --> 00:27:33,520
surprised because today is warm let's

592
00:27:38,220 --> 00:27:35,440
just say today is warm and it's very

593
00:27:40,650 --> 00:27:38,230
long it reminds me it's like I'm back at

594
00:27:42,419 --> 00:27:40,660
a little hint because it's steamy hot

595
00:27:44,250 --> 00:27:42,429
and yet they're all these people dressed

596
00:27:45,360 --> 00:27:44,260
up as all sorts of characters look if we

597
00:27:47,460 --> 00:27:45,370
look over there there are three ladies

598
00:27:50,610 --> 00:27:47,470
dressed up as in Antarctica Xena Warrior

599
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:50,620
Princess and over there there's a Dalek

600
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:52,690
one there in the top there's a ninja

601
00:27:55,950 --> 00:27:54,010
look there's an interview didn't see

602
00:27:57,750 --> 00:27:55,960
that you don't say you can't see me too

603
00:27:59,250 --> 00:27:57,760
well I thought I saw something throw the

604
00:28:01,970 --> 00:27:59,260
Green Lantern outside and he was looking

605
00:28:04,650 --> 00:28:01,980
a little bit uncomfortable in his full

606
00:28:08,930 --> 00:28:04,660
costume in the heat so let's go take a

607
00:28:13,770 --> 00:28:11,220
now there are so many people wandering

608
00:28:16,590 --> 00:28:13,780
around in weed costumes who do I have

609
00:28:19,230 --> 00:28:16,600
and what are you today I'm Meg from

610
00:28:21,330 --> 00:28:19,240
Hercules and I'm really cool and power

611
00:28:24,510 --> 00:28:21,340
house looks it looks amazing and you are

612
00:28:26,610 --> 00:28:24,520
i'm debbie d from the comics I feel sick

613
00:28:28,740 --> 00:28:26,620
by shauna Beckwith's I'm I was original

614
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:28,750
DVD was originally in the johnny the

615
00:28:33,420 --> 00:28:31,930
homicidal maniac comics yes and you come

616
00:28:35,910 --> 00:28:33,430
along here just to hang out with

617
00:28:38,310 --> 00:28:35,920
like-minded people and enjoy the the

618
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:38,320
showroom yeah basically it's great

619
00:28:41,790 --> 00:28:39,970
coming here and meeting so many people

620
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:41,800
who just like the same sort of things

621
00:28:47,550 --> 00:28:44,890
that you do and one more here we have is

622
00:28:50,910 --> 00:28:47,560
a lovely young lady Han was it it such p

623
00:28:53,790 --> 00:28:50,920
yes is giant key what are you i'm diane

624
00:28:55,290 --> 00:28:53,800
from kingdom hearts yeah i thought find

625
00:28:56,910 --> 00:28:55,300
it interesting because years and years

626
00:28:58,650 --> 00:28:56,920
and years and years ago when you'd come

627
00:29:00,930 --> 00:28:58,660
to a convention like this was all film

628
00:29:03,450 --> 00:29:00,940
characters that's Star Wars and whatever

629
00:29:05,100 --> 00:29:03,460
but more and more it's it's all sorts of

630
00:29:06,540 --> 00:29:05,110
different things it's comics its online

631
00:29:08,610 --> 00:29:06,550
stuff I think that's really interesting

632
00:29:11,490 --> 00:29:08,620
well ladies thank you for stopping by

633
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:11,500
and enjoy the rest of Armageddon didn't

634
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:17,290
hear you too thanks ladies and gentlemen

635
00:29:22,980 --> 00:29:19,810
I've come in for a quick none as we say

636
00:29:27,270 --> 00:29:22,990
in a very expensive chips here very

637
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:27,280
expensive chips here it's me not you're

638
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:29,410
here to a low yet look I'm we are

639
00:29:33,180 --> 00:29:31,210
searching for Australia's most expensive

640
00:29:35,700 --> 00:29:33,190
chips and with a six dollar chips here

641
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:35,710
and burgers of the 950 which is kind of

642
00:29:38,550 --> 00:29:37,090
an amazing price but like what else

643
00:29:40,110 --> 00:29:38,560
you're going to do but you say you're

644
00:29:41,670 --> 00:29:40,120
here to do a few interviews which is

645
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:41,680
great we're here to do a few individual

646
00:29:45,270 --> 00:29:43,570
look up a big change a few people I've

647
00:29:46,650 --> 00:29:45,280
had a great chat with a friend of mine I

648
00:29:48,060 --> 00:29:46,660
just happened to see after not seeing

649
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:48,070
for many years and he's just had a heart

650
00:29:51,210 --> 00:29:49,810
transplant after five years we might

651
00:29:53,370 --> 00:29:51,220
have that story coming up in coming

652
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:53,380
weeks but I've been talking to lots of

653
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:55,810
fans of all sorts of things well after

654
00:29:59,220 --> 00:29:57,490
we have a refreshing energy drink and

655
00:30:00,930 --> 00:29:59,230
the world's most expensive fries what

656
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:00,940
we're gonna do next why don't we go out

657
00:30:09,799 --> 00:30:07,820
Matt we have walked 40 miles from a car

658
00:30:11,570 --> 00:30:09,809
park to talk to this man today and I

659
00:30:13,580 --> 00:30:11,580
would have worked a hundred kilometers

660
00:30:15,769 --> 00:30:13,590
or whatever that is an American miles to

661
00:30:18,039 --> 00:30:15,779
talk to our guests our first guest here

662
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:18,049
at Armageddon who is Michael McConaughey

663
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:20,850
look and it's great to be talking to

664
00:30:25,430 --> 00:30:23,039
someone who has made a specific career

665
00:30:26,659 --> 00:30:25,440
mainly with their voice because I just

666
00:30:28,220 --> 00:30:26,669
because I work in radio I'm going to

667
00:30:30,620 --> 00:30:28,230
probably starving about a fortnight but

668
00:30:31,909 --> 00:30:30,630
you've got a long career of eating food

669
00:30:33,380 --> 00:30:31,919
ahead of you because you've got a damn

670
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:33,390
good voice in a damn good voiceover

671
00:30:37,310 --> 00:30:35,370
style well thank you but mostly it's

672
00:30:39,860 --> 00:30:37,320
just bad sinuses which I've trained to

673
00:30:41,870 --> 00:30:39,870
justify their existence but when did you

674
00:30:43,669 --> 00:30:41,880
decide okay enough of this visual stuff

675
00:30:45,169 --> 00:30:43,679
this visual video is going nowhere I

676
00:30:47,629 --> 00:30:45,179
want to make my career just making

677
00:30:50,629 --> 00:30:47,639
sounds with my mouth all fire on you no

678
00:30:53,090 --> 00:30:50,639
no no I am an actor I go on screen like

679
00:30:57,139 --> 00:30:53,100
I don't go on stage because I can't have

680
00:30:59,480 --> 00:30:57,149
the time I am an act or I use my voice i

681
00:31:02,840 --> 00:30:59,490
use my face i use my body and I pick up

682
00:31:04,639 --> 00:31:02,850
spare change doing mine well mine is

683
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:04,649
money look I didn't mean to insult you

684
00:31:09,169 --> 00:31:06,570
by that just you are best known for your

685
00:31:11,539 --> 00:31:09,179
voice and if you could play any role on

686
00:31:12,649 --> 00:31:11,549
film doing the voice and the vision what

687
00:31:15,350 --> 00:31:12,659
would that be well what would you like

688
00:31:19,549 --> 00:31:15,360
to do I'll good him i would love to

689
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:19,559
reinvigorate Cary Grant ah and now tells

690
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:20,850
you've been running a workshop for

691
00:31:25,430 --> 00:31:23,610
people over here at Armageddon it's been

692
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:25,440
an 80 hour workshop what you be doing

693
00:31:29,149 --> 00:31:26,730
and what has everyone been one to know

694
00:31:31,909 --> 00:31:29,159
from you well we we call it the ADR

695
00:31:36,649 --> 00:31:31,919
experience and we get a chance for anime

696
00:31:39,230 --> 00:31:36,659
fans to actually audition as if they

697
00:31:41,899 --> 00:31:39,240
were auditioning for a role in an

698
00:31:44,509 --> 00:31:41,909
existing anime series so we we have a

699
00:31:46,879 --> 00:31:44,519
lighter female stronger female a lighter

700
00:31:48,889 --> 00:31:46,889
male a stronger male and we have seen

701
00:31:51,500 --> 00:31:48,899
from existing series where we pulled one

702
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:51,510
character out and they fill in the voice

703
00:31:55,700 --> 00:31:53,970
for that character and everyone has a

704
00:31:57,980 --> 00:31:55,710
lot of fun and they all get a DVD of

705
00:31:59,690 --> 00:31:57,990
their performances in an anime it's an

706
00:32:01,820 --> 00:31:59,700
awful lot of fun that must be a great

707
00:32:03,500 --> 00:32:01,830
experience for the fans well and please

708
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:03,510
tell us some of the voices we might have

709
00:32:07,430 --> 00:32:05,490
heard you do here in Australian anime

710
00:32:10,639 --> 00:32:07,440
and other things okay well in original

711
00:32:13,460 --> 00:32:10,649
animation the original transformers what

712
00:32:16,909 --> 00:32:13,470
we call generation one I was trapped in

713
00:32:20,149 --> 00:32:16,919
cosmos tracks was the blue Corvette with

714
00:32:22,879 --> 00:32:20,159
a very expanded sense of self cosmos was

715
00:32:25,370 --> 00:32:22,889
he was a sort of a silly little green

716
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:25,380
flying saucer and nobody understood him

717
00:32:33,019 --> 00:32:30,210
and GI Joe there was a guy named cross

718
00:32:37,460 --> 00:32:33,029
country and he was a hill villain he had

719
00:32:39,019 --> 00:32:37,470
a big stereo system in his tank anime

720
00:32:40,909 --> 00:32:39,029
I've been all over the map I've done

721
00:32:42,950 --> 00:32:40,919
everything from fuzzy little puppets to

722
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:42,960
that fist of the north star at the

723
00:32:47,210 --> 00:32:45,690
beginning of anime what is it i just did

724
00:32:49,639 --> 00:32:47,220
a game doing a lot of video games now

725
00:32:52,940 --> 00:32:49,649
recently i did a video game via the

726
00:32:55,730 --> 00:32:52,950
internet or company in Poland where I

727
00:32:58,519 --> 00:32:55,740
was portraying a blue orangutan named

728
00:32:59,990 --> 00:32:58,529
Khufu wow this is unusual because when

729
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:00,000
you're doing that you don't necessarily

730
00:33:04,850 --> 00:33:03,090
read a timeline script off on reading

731
00:33:06,169 --> 00:33:04,860
just one word disassociate is that

732
00:33:09,070 --> 00:33:06,179
correct the way they do that yeah

733
00:33:11,690 --> 00:33:09,080
context is very rarely there for us and

734
00:33:14,269 --> 00:33:11,700
so we wind up when we're working to

735
00:33:16,639 --> 00:33:14,279
vacuum like that giving any number of

736
00:33:17,690 --> 00:33:16,649
alternate readings hoping the one of

737
00:33:19,580 --> 00:33:17,700
them is going to be close to the

738
00:33:21,169 --> 00:33:19,590
situation in the game and what's the

739
00:33:22,370 --> 00:33:21,179
usual word that comes up in just about

740
00:33:24,590 --> 00:33:22,380
all the games you've done what's the

741
00:33:26,450 --> 00:33:24,600
most commonly occurring word in terms of

742
00:33:28,970 --> 00:33:26,460
the game I mean that you've done a

743
00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:28,980
number of games there one word or action

744
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:30,480
that comes up in most games you find

745
00:33:33,290 --> 00:33:31,530
yourself reading over

746
00:33:36,980 --> 00:33:33,300
again in almost every script situation

747
00:33:38,330 --> 00:33:36,990
yes one word is die pretty much that

748
00:33:39,770 --> 00:33:38,340
covers it yeah and get probably there's

749
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:39,780
no Pleasant way of saying that is there

750
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:43,890
really oh there is it's like die and

751
00:33:46,610 --> 00:33:45,210
what are you got coming up next I mean

752
00:33:48,170 --> 00:33:46,620
you've got this trip to Australia we've

753
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:48,180
all been nice to having wait if there's

754
00:33:51,770 --> 00:33:50,490
any complaints just when you're leaving

755
00:33:53,570 --> 00:33:51,780
just like write down the names of the

756
00:33:55,070 --> 00:33:53,580
people and we'll take care of them as we

757
00:33:57,290 --> 00:33:55,080
say in the business I didn't know you

758
00:33:59,030 --> 00:33:57,300
were management excellent even know I've

759
00:34:01,040 --> 00:33:59,040
never had had a welcome as I've had in

760
00:34:02,330 --> 00:34:01,050
this country it is fabulous and it's

761
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:02,340
always been a dream of mine to get here

762
00:34:06,110 --> 00:34:04,530
really from the time I was a child and I

763
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:06,120
finally achieved it well we're kind of

764
00:34:08,750 --> 00:34:07,410
famous for our sense of humor but that

765
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:08,760
also means that sometimes we don't take

766
00:34:13,610 --> 00:34:11,010
stuff seriously perhaps we should that's

767
00:34:15,890 --> 00:34:13,620
not oh good heavens I just come to a

768
00:34:17,630 --> 00:34:15,900
realization someone's been mucking about

769
00:34:19,310 --> 00:34:17,640
with me it could be an epiphany or a

770
00:34:21,590 --> 00:34:19,320
catharsis or lots of other words I don't

771
00:34:23,780 --> 00:34:21,600
know the meaning of no I actually the

772
00:34:24,919 --> 00:34:23,790
finest thing I've found here aside from

773
00:34:26,240 --> 00:34:24,929
the wall could three things in

774
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:26,250
descending order of importance the

775
00:34:32,270 --> 00:34:30,690
Welcome the beer but stakes whoa okay

776
00:34:33,950 --> 00:34:32,280
but I would've thought America

777
00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:33,960
everyone's always going on about Texas

778
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:36,720
steaks and american meat and stuff oh we

779
00:34:41,300 --> 00:34:38,370
do terrible things to cows in the States

780
00:34:42,889 --> 00:34:41,310
don't ask me to give you details bullet

781
00:34:44,270 --> 00:34:42,899
and your next actual project you're

782
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:44,280
working on but some movies coming up

783
00:34:47,659 --> 00:34:45,450
you've got another game in the pipeline

784
00:34:50,210 --> 00:34:47,669
yeah there was X I just wrapped a game

785
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:50,220
and unfortunately with games we are

786
00:34:53,780 --> 00:34:51,690
terribly constricted by their

787
00:34:56,300 --> 00:34:53,790
non-disclosure agreement society even

788
00:34:58,370 --> 00:34:56,310
before we're allowed to audition so i

789
00:35:01,040 --> 00:34:58,380
can say that there is a game which will

790
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:01,050
be coming out which is in asked if it's

791
00:35:05,540 --> 00:35:02,490
the first person shooter can you even

792
00:35:08,060 --> 00:35:05,550
give that it's sort of a fighting game

793
00:35:10,460 --> 00:35:08,070
on the order of Diablo it's it's not

794
00:35:14,060 --> 00:35:10,470
affiliated with blizzard and I play a

795
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:14,070
very strong sorcerer who has a bad case

796
00:35:17,150 --> 00:35:16,650
of amnesia well thank you for coming in

797
00:35:18,890 --> 00:35:17,160
then

798
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:18,900
defend the fancy I was like like one

799
00:35:23,420 --> 00:35:20,970
last question about the fans anime fans

800
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:23,430
sci-fi fans have reputation beyond that

801
00:35:26,900 --> 00:35:25,170
of like footballer fans you know they

802
00:35:29,089 --> 00:35:26,910
can go pretty wild pretty crazy you

803
00:35:32,089 --> 00:35:29,099
experience any crazy fan moments it good

804
00:35:34,069 --> 00:35:32,099
or bad oh absolutely ever every moment

805
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:34,079
and that is what makes going to these

806
00:35:40,370 --> 00:35:37,170
events so vibrant and and wonderful

807
00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:40,380
because what we run into is genuine

808
00:35:45,319 --> 00:35:42,960
human interaction and people have such

809
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:45,329
an incredible enthusiasm for what we do

810
00:35:49,700 --> 00:35:47,970
and that we keep making avoid every time

811
00:35:51,319 --> 00:35:49,710
we go to one of these places that you

812
00:35:53,210 --> 00:35:51,329
guys are the reason we're here without

813
00:35:54,890 --> 00:35:53,220
you I'm sorry seriously I really have

814
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:54,900
nothing I could talk to myself in the

815
00:35:59,210 --> 00:35:56,130
bathroom but it's not going to be the

816
00:36:00,470 --> 00:35:59,220
same is it one cartoon show currently on

817
00:36:04,190 --> 00:36:00,480
the a you wouldn't mind being a cast

818
00:36:06,890 --> 00:36:04,200
member of well I'm rather stuck in the

819
00:36:09,230 --> 00:36:06,900
past I don't I don't watch cartoons

820
00:36:12,950 --> 00:36:09,240
anymore people ask me what games do you

821
00:36:14,870 --> 00:36:12,960
play I don't it may I'm in the games I

822
00:36:16,430 --> 00:36:14,880
don't have them play it it's it again

823
00:36:19,220 --> 00:36:16,440
it's back to William Shatner in his line

824
00:36:21,230 --> 00:36:19,230
from Star Trek for you know oh so you

825
00:36:24,319 --> 00:36:21,240
live in out of space no no no I live in

826
00:36:26,150 --> 00:36:24,329
Iowa I work in outer space I work in

827
00:36:28,099 --> 00:36:26,160
games so it's not going to be a busman's

828
00:36:29,420 --> 00:36:28,109
holiday for me well thank you for coming

829
00:36:31,339 --> 00:36:29,430
in working us and maybe getting some

830
00:36:33,319 --> 00:36:31,349
potential future voiceover artists going

831
00:36:34,940 --> 00:36:33,329
here in Sydney oh I think so because it

832
00:36:40,710 --> 00:36:34,950
without an awful lot of talents of these

833
00:36:45,330 --> 00:36:43,380
look up we are here at Armageddon and I

834
00:36:46,500 --> 00:36:45,340
tell what it has been a huge day hasn't

835
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:46,510
it Richard now this thing's traveling

836
00:36:49,710 --> 00:36:47,890
around Australia so there's like a

837
00:36:51,510 --> 00:36:49,720
delayed fan South Australian fans of the

838
00:36:52,980 --> 00:36:51,520
podcast that might be gang should I go

839
00:36:54,420 --> 00:36:52,990
should I not but yeah even if they're

840
00:36:56,220 --> 00:36:54,430
into wrestling it's worth going home hey

841
00:36:57,540 --> 00:36:56,230
now look we've had such a fantastic day

842
00:36:59,700 --> 00:36:57,550
here we've seen some really big

843
00:37:02,370 --> 00:36:59,710
celebrities the fans have been fantastic

844
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:02,380
Adelaide people it's on this weekend in

845
00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:04,330
Adelaide and you can pick out more by

846
00:37:09,089 --> 00:37:06,250
going to the website which is Armageddon

847
00:37:10,980 --> 00:37:09,099
Expo com look go along and because if

848
00:37:12,690 --> 00:37:10,990
you do go along in costume and you see

849
00:37:13,980 --> 00:37:12,700
other skeptics own fans there take a

850
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:13,990
photo of them and send it to us because

851
00:37:16,830 --> 00:37:15,130
we'd like to stick it up on the website

852
00:37:29,650 --> 00:37:16,840
because like we're just as weird as you

853
00:37:35,050 --> 00:37:32,510
hey guys this is jay from the skeptics

854
00:37:37,190 --> 00:37:35,060
guide to the universe a weld-on whoa

855
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:37,200
everybody knows I'm the only reason to

856
00:37:40,339 --> 00:37:38,970
listen to the freakshow right I mean it

857
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:40,349
was up to me the show would start with

858
00:37:48,950 --> 00:37:47,010
this yeah boy well Rebecca would hate

859
00:37:50,510 --> 00:37:48,960
that probably but I mean I'd rock that

860
00:37:52,220 --> 00:37:50,520
listen to our show and you can learn

861
00:37:53,690 --> 00:37:52,230
about cool stuff like a technological

862
00:37:55,550 --> 00:37:53,700
singularity which is someday when

863
00:37:56,450 --> 00:37:55,560
technology progresses so fast that it

864
00:37:58,640 --> 00:37:56,460
would make the Industrial Revolution

865
00:38:02,510 --> 00:37:58,650
look like a kid science project anyway

866
00:38:11,450 --> 00:38:02,520
come check us out at WWDC epic score get

867
00:38:22,099 --> 00:38:11,460
your son's on join us now for drinking

868
00:38:23,540 --> 00:38:22,109
skeptically in the think tank of course

869
00:38:27,710 --> 00:38:23,550
I'm recording and there's a wonderful

870
00:38:29,750 --> 00:38:27,720
rich tone that laughter which fills us

871
00:38:33,020 --> 00:38:29,760
all with merriment from the hope for the

872
00:38:35,810 --> 00:38:33,030
future belongs to none other you finish

873
00:38:39,740 --> 00:38:35,820
it then dr. HC hello dr. agent pirates

874
00:38:41,210 --> 00:38:39,750
is how are you okay so why are you I

875
00:38:42,980 --> 00:38:41,220
don't know why I'm you I don't know why

876
00:38:46,099 --> 00:38:42,990
you're here even but I'm glad you are

877
00:38:49,310 --> 00:38:46,109
and I'm also glad that James is here

878
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:49,320
bastard cheap hello get everyone hey and

879
00:38:53,839 --> 00:38:51,330
joining us is our special guest one

880
00:38:56,329 --> 00:38:53,849
about special guest tonight is Steve hi

881
00:38:57,829 --> 00:38:56,339
Steve I Richard how are you fine Steve's

882
00:38:59,870 --> 00:38:57,839
one of our listeners who's come along

883
00:39:02,660 --> 00:38:59,880
tonight with his wonder dog Casey who is

884
00:39:07,300 --> 00:39:02,670
hidden under the table I think I can see

885
00:39:09,470 --> 00:39:07,310
it there she is and a big hello to our

886
00:39:11,839 --> 00:39:09,480
one of our favorites here at the think

887
00:39:15,349 --> 00:39:11,849
tank Diane hi Diane hi Richard how are

888
00:39:18,079 --> 00:39:15,359
you I'm pretty good I've had off while

889
00:39:20,839 --> 00:39:18,089
favorite that was dr. AG butting in I've

890
00:39:24,530 --> 00:39:20,849
had a good time and it's hello to Iran

891
00:39:26,329 --> 00:39:24,540
segev hello is it hello Iran and a big

892
00:39:27,980 --> 00:39:26,339
welcome a very big welcome as you've

893
00:39:30,140 --> 00:39:27,990
heard at the top of the show joining us

894
00:39:32,660 --> 00:39:30,150
tonight in the think tank is voiceover

895
00:39:37,390 --> 00:39:32,670
man Jim wilshire hi Jim hi Richard your

896
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:40,360
if you're also recording I am I'm doing

897
00:39:46,710 --> 00:39:42,650
well and I've got it all happening it's

898
00:39:49,630 --> 00:39:46,720
really great so Rachel I noticed

899
00:39:51,490 --> 00:39:49,640
Rachel's busily poring over the internet

900
00:39:56,380 --> 00:39:51,500
at the moment folks and I think you

901
00:39:58,810 --> 00:39:56,390
wanted to talk to us about a survey yea

902
00:40:01,180 --> 00:39:58,820
sorry I'm actually on James's computer

903
00:40:05,410 --> 00:40:01,190
because some my iPads not getting

904
00:40:10,060 --> 00:40:05,420
internet at the moment um and I've just

905
00:40:14,020 --> 00:40:10,070
come across a page he left open James do

906
00:40:17,470 --> 00:40:14,030
we want to know it's um a blog written

907
00:40:18,910 --> 00:40:17,480
by tan via arm edge and he's a regular

908
00:40:23,110 --> 00:40:18,920
contributor for the sydney morning

909
00:40:25,240 --> 00:40:23,120
herald he's a psychiatrist he was the

910
00:40:28,150 --> 00:40:25,250
guy that I was on the drum with on the

911
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:28,160
ABC when I when I did my little segment

912
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:30,650
on the drum on about Wakefield and the

913
00:40:36,610 --> 00:40:34,130
bmj and he's written a blog post today

914
00:40:39,370 --> 00:40:36,620
about alternative medicines superstition

915
00:40:41,470 --> 00:40:39,380
of our age Wow where's that exactly how

916
00:40:43,330 --> 00:40:41,480
can our listeners look like it's on sm h

917
00:40:46,630 --> 00:40:43,340
calm today you and it's in the National

918
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:46,640
times which is if you scroll down the

919
00:40:50,740 --> 00:40:48,410
website it's kind of a couple of Scrolls

920
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:50,750
down it's in their society and culture

921
00:40:56,500 --> 00:40:53,810
section but I had a chat with tan via

922
00:40:58,420 --> 00:40:56,510
actually after we did our drum show

923
00:40:59,650 --> 00:40:58,430
together and he was talking about

924
00:41:03,100 --> 00:40:59,660
because he asked me a couple of

925
00:41:05,710 --> 00:41:03,110
questions on air about vaccination rates

926
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:05,720
and how they were affected by the way

927
00:41:10,420 --> 00:41:08,050
field scare that was the Lancet paper

928
00:41:12,940 --> 00:41:10,430
and he said he's always had an interest

929
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:12,950
in that sort of stuff and alt med and

930
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:16,850
but he finds as a doctor then you know

931
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:18,890
he's often getting patients coming to

932
00:41:23,770 --> 00:41:22,130
him and saying you know I can I use this

933
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:23,780
doesn't work that sort of thing so I

934
00:41:27,850 --> 00:41:25,370
haven't actually read this yet but I

935
00:41:29,650 --> 00:41:27,860
just found it on cheapest completed I

936
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:29,660
have that open if you go down to notepad

937
00:41:33,940 --> 00:41:31,970
you'll see a few comments that were left

938
00:41:36,850 --> 00:41:33,950
by some of the readers and they'll quite

939
00:41:39,910 --> 00:41:36,860
amusing if you read them out for me yeah

940
00:41:41,980 --> 00:41:39,920
this one here says tanveer makes good

941
00:41:44,740 --> 00:41:41,990
points he admits their shortcomings in

942
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:44,750
mainstream medicine yes some alternative

943
00:41:49,180 --> 00:41:46,610
medicine is fluff but not all of it oh

944
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:49,190
he comes the good bit homeopathy works

945
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:51,050
and has been around for thousands of

946
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:55,130
years thousands I thought I was 200 how

947
00:42:00,130 --> 00:41:57,170
long has convention medicine been around

948
00:42:02,290 --> 00:42:00,140
for convention invention medicine and

949
00:42:05,230 --> 00:42:02,300
ending a sentence with four which is a

950
00:42:06,670 --> 00:42:05,240
preposition homeopathy is a holistic

951
00:42:09,030 --> 00:42:06,680
approach to the body rather than

952
00:42:14,140 --> 00:42:09,040
smacking one organ with one drug

953
00:42:17,470 --> 00:42:14,150
smacking a spot SMA CH ing in fact I'd

954
00:42:20,620 --> 00:42:17,480
say homeopaths probably sorry in fact I

955
00:42:22,540 --> 00:42:20,630
say home paths probably have a better

956
00:42:27,220 --> 00:42:22,550
understanding of the body as a complete

957
00:42:30,070 --> 00:42:27,230
or Reaganism I sure that's led to be

958
00:42:32,530 --> 00:42:30,080
organism how much of it is all caps

959
00:42:36,730 --> 00:42:32,540
there's no super caps lock oh really no

960
00:42:39,100 --> 00:42:36,740
so it's not genuine then well it's not

961
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:39,110
it's not one of the serious like part of

962
00:42:43,710 --> 00:42:42,050
the spectrum surgery IVF and psychiatry

963
00:42:45,910 --> 00:42:43,720
our areas i think are well done

964
00:42:49,500 --> 00:42:45,920
immunology and nutrition and psychology

965
00:42:55,330 --> 00:42:49,510
are areas i think i messed up badly whoo

966
00:42:58,360 --> 00:42:55,340
obviously an expert yeah this is someone

967
00:43:03,790 --> 00:42:58,370
called me it was you was it yeah i think

968
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:03,800
you have watered down what they said as

969
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:06,050
some as someone who has tried multiple

970
00:43:11,260 --> 00:43:08,210
conventional treatments for Kylie

971
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:11,270
infections once I shifted to raw garlic

972
00:43:15,550 --> 00:43:13,330
and ginger it clobbered the infection

973
00:43:17,380 --> 00:43:15,560
modern medicine needs to just plainly

974
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:17,390
admit it has lots to learn rather than

975
00:43:22,540 --> 00:43:19,610
strutting around looking important first

976
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:22,550
do no harm me much the fourth 96 they

977
00:43:28,180 --> 00:43:26,810
ever good oh good grief it's night we

978
00:43:30,370 --> 00:43:28,190
don't have to right there honey lines

979
00:43:34,450 --> 00:43:30,380
that they write them all by themselves

980
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:34,460
but we should get back to the survey

981
00:43:38,740 --> 00:43:35,810
wigan sorry that wasn't the question

982
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:38,750
that was a no that was you know that was

983
00:43:43,330 --> 00:43:41,450
amusing diversion anyway tanvi is blown

984
00:43:45,190 --> 00:43:43,340
was good okay so what I was going to

985
00:43:48,410 --> 00:43:45,200
talk about Richard was a paper that was

986
00:43:52,450 --> 00:43:48,420
published in the last week or so

987
00:43:54,980 --> 00:43:52,460
it's by the university of wa and it was

988
00:43:58,880 --> 00:43:54,990
looking at whether pharmacists offer

989
00:44:00,200 --> 00:43:58,890
good advice compared to gps now this is

990
00:44:02,030 --> 00:44:00,210
something we've talked about quite a lot

991
00:44:04,490 --> 00:44:02,040
on the zone and we've blogged about as

992
00:44:06,740 --> 00:44:04,500
well because we have a bit of a beef

993
00:44:08,570 --> 00:44:06,750
with pharmacists selling things like ear

994
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:08,580
candles and homeopathy another bogus

995
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:12,090
indeed Jim and I were at a shopping

996
00:44:14,750 --> 00:44:13,440
center today and I took him and I said

997
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:14,760
look at this and we found the ear

998
00:44:22,670 --> 00:44:18,000
candles in the only ear section is

999
00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:22,680
section tragic yeah well this study was

1000
00:44:26,270 --> 00:44:23,760
published in the annals of

1001
00:44:28,900 --> 00:44:26,280
pharmacotherapy and basically they sent

1002
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:28,910
researchers which were posing as

1003
00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:31,410
patients with symptoms of a chronic

1004
00:44:37,850 --> 00:44:35,760
cough to 155 perth pharmacies and then

1005
00:44:40,100 --> 00:44:37,860
the the researchers initially asked for

1006
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:40,110
something for a cough from the either

1007
00:44:44,570 --> 00:44:43,050
the assistant or the pharmacist and if

1008
00:44:47,270 --> 00:44:44,580
they were questioned about their cough

1009
00:44:50,150 --> 00:44:47,280
they were then had to explain that

1010
00:44:52,220 --> 00:44:50,160
they'd had the cough for a couple of had

1011
00:44:54,500 --> 00:44:52,230
a couple of times a week then had they

1012
00:44:57,290 --> 00:44:54,510
get the cough and it had persisted for a

1013
00:45:00,580 --> 00:44:57,300
couple of months and they were also

1014
00:45:02,900 --> 00:45:00,590
instructed to say that they were taking

1015
00:45:05,030 --> 00:45:02,910
selbst you tomorrow twice a day to

1016
00:45:07,820 --> 00:45:05,040
relieve symptoms of asthma so they're on

1017
00:45:09,740 --> 00:45:07,830
steroids as well now according to the

1018
00:45:12,110 --> 00:45:09,750
results only thirty-eight percent of

1019
00:45:13,790 --> 00:45:12,120
pharmacy staff including the pharmacists

1020
00:45:16,010 --> 00:45:13,800
advised the patients to go and see a

1021
00:45:17,330 --> 00:45:16,020
doctor and this was the sort of

1022
00:45:18,980 --> 00:45:17,340
benchmark of a study to determine

1023
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:18,990
whether the pharmacists were giving good

1024
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:21,050
advice was whether they said see a GP

1025
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:23,330
thirty-eight percent of them did

1026
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:25,890
seventy-four percent of them just sold

1027
00:45:29,870 --> 00:45:27,570
them some cough suppressant and sent

1028
00:45:31,910 --> 00:45:29,880
them on their way yeah yeah who doesn't

1029
00:45:35,060 --> 00:45:31,920
surprise me it matches our experiences

1030
00:45:36,980 --> 00:45:35,070
yeah it does um they also said that in

1031
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:36,990
some cases staff members sold them cough

1032
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:41,010
medicine and provided referral advice

1033
00:45:46,940 --> 00:45:45,090
but they they didn't because they didn't

1034
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:46,950
send them get them to go to a doctor

1035
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:48,810
they could be delaying their treatment

1036
00:45:54,410 --> 00:45:50,970
so they're potentially the cough could

1037
00:45:56,750 --> 00:45:54,420
have got worse so that's nothing to

1038
00:45:59,470 --> 00:45:56,760
sneeze you know it's nothing to sneeze

1039
00:46:01,940 --> 00:45:59,480
at but what is also

1040
00:46:05,870 --> 00:46:01,950
what is particularly interesting too

1041
00:46:07,190 --> 00:46:05,880
about this article is the comments now

1042
00:46:10,010 --> 00:46:07,200
this is on a page called medical

1043
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:10,020
observer column delay you and there's

1044
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:12,930
not even one comment in support of

1045
00:46:17,690 --> 00:46:15,210
pharmacists all of the comments agree

1046
00:46:19,460 --> 00:46:17,700
with the article and is saying things

1047
00:46:21,620 --> 00:46:19,470
like well I'm not surprised over many

1048
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:21,630
years I've been into pharmacies and ask

1049
00:46:29,740 --> 00:46:24,690
them for advice and I always end up

1050
00:46:32,270 --> 00:46:29,750
being sold something this person says

1051
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:32,280
the advice headed up by pharmacists

1052
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:34,770
makes me cringe they usually end up to

1053
00:46:40,670 --> 00:46:37,770
selling me some useless product I've had

1054
00:46:45,500 --> 00:46:40,680
pharmacist pharmacists or should I say

1055
00:46:46,850 --> 00:46:45,510
people in a pharmacy where what who they

1056
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:46,860
are I don't know and the general public

1057
00:46:52,940 --> 00:46:51,090
wouldn't know sales assistants acting as

1058
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:52,950
if they think they're doctors especially

1059
00:46:57,380 --> 00:46:55,770
when it comes to up med well this this

1060
00:47:00,170 --> 00:46:57,390
person here has left a comment saying

1061
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:00,180
that um he wants to see them getting out

1062
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:02,130
of the woowoo business this is one of us

1063
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:05,370
I guess using the term woo woo they say

1064
00:47:09,110 --> 00:47:07,170
any trip to a pharmacy will show them

1065
00:47:11,540 --> 00:47:09,120
selling all manner of worthless magnetic

1066
00:47:13,870 --> 00:47:11,550
therapy bits and pieces homeopathic

1067
00:47:17,450 --> 00:47:13,880
medicines which is an oxymoron

1068
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:17,460
questionable new-age CDs on various

1069
00:47:22,190 --> 00:47:20,130
alternative mumbo jumbo they say I've

1070
00:47:24,710 --> 00:47:22,200
got nothing against pharmacist but is it

1071
00:47:26,780 --> 00:47:24,720
is a challenging degree to attain with

1072
00:47:29,090 --> 00:47:26,790
plenty of biochemistry physiology and

1073
00:47:30,710 --> 00:47:29,100
pharmacology but why oh why do they

1074
00:47:33,290 --> 00:47:30,720
lower themselves to selling all that

1075
00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:33,300
rubbish so this person is actually

1076
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:35,250
suggesting that it's just simply a case

1077
00:47:40,010 --> 00:47:38,610
of greed winning over ethics because

1078
00:47:42,620 --> 00:47:40,020
they're just selling all this nonsense

1079
00:47:44,510 --> 00:47:42,630
when ethically in fact I've looked into

1080
00:47:46,190 --> 00:47:44,520
the code of conduct for pharmacists and

1081
00:47:47,530 --> 00:47:46,200
by selling stuff like this they're

1082
00:47:49,820 --> 00:47:47,540
breaching their own code of ethics

1083
00:47:51,770 --> 00:47:49,830
because they're kind of ethics specifies

1084
00:47:54,710 --> 00:47:51,780
that they will only agree to sell things

1085
00:47:57,590 --> 00:47:54,720
for which there is an evidence base and

1086
00:48:00,650 --> 00:47:57,600
I just asked if that boom relates excuse

1087
00:48:02,850 --> 00:48:00,660
me to one particular state in Australia

1088
00:48:05,730 --> 00:48:02,860
or right across Australia

1089
00:48:08,010 --> 00:48:05,740
study was done in Western Australia I'm

1090
00:48:10,980 --> 00:48:08,020
in Sydney so my experiences in New South

1091
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:10,990
Wales which were Richard my gym for fun

1092
00:48:15,690 --> 00:48:13,810
on the weekends we go into pharmacies

1093
00:48:18,780 --> 00:48:15,700
and we asked pharmacist questions or

1094
00:48:21,300 --> 00:48:18,790
their staff and we've never had with

1095
00:48:23,430 --> 00:48:21,310
your dad no I apologize once i went into

1096
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:23,440
a pharmacy in marrickville yes and asked

1097
00:48:27,270 --> 00:48:25,330
about homeopathy and she said it's

1098
00:48:29,550 --> 00:48:27,280
worthless it's useless but it's not like

1099
00:48:31,740 --> 00:48:29,560
it's not here because I want it here I'm

1100
00:48:33,720 --> 00:48:31,750
a franchise and the people that run this

1101
00:48:35,550 --> 00:48:33,730
franchise put it in my store but that

1102
00:48:38,430 --> 00:48:35,560
that's the except as an exception the

1103
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:38,440
rule is generally either the even the

1104
00:48:42,510 --> 00:48:40,450
pharmacist and a real pharmacist we

1105
00:48:45,240 --> 00:48:42,520
asked once didn't know what if this is

1106
00:48:48,210 --> 00:48:45,250
very sad to me because two or three

1107
00:48:50,340 --> 00:48:48,220
decades ago I was integrally involved in

1108
00:48:52,710 --> 00:48:50,350
putting together a video which was shown

1109
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:52,720
to primary schools throughout New South

1110
00:48:57,750 --> 00:48:54,930
Wales funded by the New South Wales

1111
00:49:01,410 --> 00:48:57,760
pharmaceutical Association and it was

1112
00:49:04,290 --> 00:49:01,420
titled you're at first aid talking about

1113
00:49:07,110 --> 00:49:04,300
the pharmacist being the first point of

1114
00:49:09,030 --> 00:49:07,120
call when you became crook rather than

1115
00:49:11,790 --> 00:49:09,040
just rushing straight to a doctor and

1116
00:49:14,250 --> 00:49:11,800
the whole philosophy was that he was the

1117
00:49:16,230 --> 00:49:14,260
healthcare professional for she was the

1118
00:49:19,380 --> 00:49:16,240
healthcare professional who would be

1119
00:49:22,260 --> 00:49:19,390
able to disseminate sound advice now

1120
00:49:24,330 --> 00:49:22,270
what you have said suggests that that no

1121
00:49:26,010 --> 00:49:24,340
longer exists and it's if that's true

1122
00:49:27,390 --> 00:49:26,020
that's very very sad well that's that's

1123
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:27,400
why they have everyone's heard the

1124
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:29,170
phrase ask your pharmacist I mean you

1125
00:49:33,090 --> 00:49:30,850
still see ads on television now where

1126
00:49:36,150 --> 00:49:33,100
they say ask your pharmacist about this

1127
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:36,160
type of medicine but unfortunately once

1128
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:38,410
you go and and do ask them you want to

1129
00:49:42,030 --> 00:49:40,570
get spurious information and we find we

1130
00:49:43,620 --> 00:49:42,040
just don't know what you're going to get

1131
00:49:45,870 --> 00:49:43,630
that's true well yeah why do you think

1132
00:49:49,890 --> 00:49:45,880
they sell these ludicrous product

1133
00:49:52,950 --> 00:49:49,900
because they they tell they sell them

1134
00:49:54,810 --> 00:49:52,960
because the product sell not good enough

1135
00:49:56,700 --> 00:49:54,820
what Diane was saying before Diane

1136
00:49:58,950 --> 00:49:56,710
mentioned that I'm one of our friends

1137
00:50:01,530 --> 00:49:58,960
went in to get a prescription filled for

1138
00:50:03,570 --> 00:50:01,540
his arm quit smoking drugs and on the

1139
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:03,580
counter of the pharmacy were eat candles

1140
00:50:07,860 --> 00:50:06,490
and he apparently asked the pharmacist

1141
00:50:09,660 --> 00:50:07,870
why they're there and the pharmacist

1142
00:50:11,069 --> 00:50:09,670
kind of went really well they sell

1143
00:50:12,690 --> 00:50:11,079
people want them

1144
00:50:18,799 --> 00:50:12,700
and people buy them so we stopped them

1145
00:50:23,940 --> 00:50:21,449
something else on Facebook is there

1146
00:50:28,739 --> 00:50:23,950
something else hey do you have a rent

1147
00:50:31,949 --> 00:50:28,749
boy arrives did I want to raise that

1148
00:50:34,109 --> 00:50:31,959
people 16 to do you have a red boy good

1149
00:50:36,559 --> 00:50:34,119
errands so you know you're right Tim

1150
00:50:39,839 --> 00:50:36,569
it's no excuse you know that and

1151
00:50:41,069 --> 00:50:39,849
ethically they really shouldn't be doing

1152
00:50:42,329 --> 00:50:41,079
it and this is actually really

1153
00:50:44,249 --> 00:50:42,339
interesting because it's the first time

1154
00:50:46,529 --> 00:50:44,259
I've seen an academic study that's

1155
00:50:49,709 --> 00:50:46,539
measured it it's quantitated how bad the

1156
00:50:53,009 --> 00:50:49,719
problem is and you know in some parts of

1157
00:50:54,989 --> 00:50:53,019
the world at the moment there are people

1158
00:50:57,569 --> 00:50:54,999
like pharmacists and actually in Canada

1159
00:50:59,910 --> 00:50:57,579
it's as bad as natural paths are pushing

1160
00:51:02,009 --> 00:50:59,920
to be able to prescribe drugs and in

1161
00:51:04,859 --> 00:51:02,019
some parts of Canada actually natural

1162
00:51:06,359 --> 00:51:04,869
pet scan now prescribe drugs but bill

1163
00:51:07,709 --> 00:51:06,369
pharmacists are also pushing for that

1164
00:51:10,079 --> 00:51:07,719
and it would certainly solve a lot of

1165
00:51:11,489 --> 00:51:10,089
issues in Australia we you know the lack

1166
00:51:13,739 --> 00:51:11,499
of doctors that we have we don't have

1167
00:51:15,689 --> 00:51:13,749
enough GPS and that sort of there's a

1168
00:51:17,009 --> 00:51:15,699
lot of pressure on our health system but

1169
00:51:18,839 --> 00:51:17,019
this evidence suggests that they just

1170
00:51:20,699 --> 00:51:18,849
not capable of doing that no there's a

1171
00:51:23,099 --> 00:51:20,709
reason this doctors prescribe because

1172
00:51:25,799 --> 00:51:23,109
they have medical training that's

1173
00:51:28,140 --> 00:51:25,809
correct yeah but these guys are trained

1174
00:51:30,989 --> 00:51:28,150
want to Train fully in understanding how

1175
00:51:32,939 --> 00:51:30,999
drugs work on what they do but they're

1176
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:32,949
not trying to diagnose your ride but in

1177
00:51:37,410 --> 00:51:34,690
neither in naturopaths who may allow to

1178
00:51:39,959 --> 00:51:37,420
in Canada but I'm this doesn't give you

1179
00:51:42,209 --> 00:51:39,969
a lot of faith in their abilities sadly

1180
00:51:44,039 --> 00:51:42,219
sadly though disappointing because I

1181
00:51:46,019 --> 00:51:44,049
went through University with pharmacy

1182
00:51:48,689 --> 00:51:46,029
students we splitted the same lectures

1183
00:51:50,339 --> 00:51:48,699
in a lot of cases and it's really hard

1184
00:51:52,349 --> 00:51:50,349
to get into pharmacy so really

1185
00:51:54,599 --> 00:51:52,359
competitive course it's very complicated

1186
00:51:57,059 --> 00:51:54,609
there's a lot of pharmacokinetics and

1187
00:51:59,609 --> 00:51:57,069
make your head explode next time a

1188
00:52:02,969 --> 00:51:59,619
pharmacist suggests that the reason they

1189
00:52:04,650 --> 00:52:02,979
sell these sham products is because they

1190
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:04,660
sell ask them why they don't sell

1191
00:52:09,660 --> 00:52:07,130
cigarettes yeah yeah

1192
00:52:14,340 --> 00:52:09,670
they used to the fact they still do it

1193
00:52:17,260 --> 00:52:14,350
dries up they used to say it came to ya

1194
00:52:18,790 --> 00:52:17,270
it's a very sad state of affairs but Jim

1195
00:52:22,410 --> 00:52:18,800
I was very interested to hear you say

1196
00:52:24,940 --> 00:52:22,420
that you were involved some time ago in

1197
00:52:27,100 --> 00:52:24,950
with the voice work presumably now it

1198
00:52:29,290 --> 00:52:27,110
was a video the video and I played her

1199
00:52:31,870 --> 00:52:29,300
quite a number of different characters

1200
00:52:34,030 --> 00:52:31,880
we shot it in a number of different

1201
00:52:36,250 --> 00:52:34,040
places in Sydney including Sydney

1202
00:52:39,850 --> 00:52:36,260
University and it was quite a

1203
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:39,860
prestigious piece well done and a lot of

1204
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:42,770
fun to do hard work and the entire

1205
00:52:49,630 --> 00:52:45,650
message was that a pharmacist was your

1206
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:49,640
first aid and now of course that is in

1207
00:52:55,540 --> 00:52:52,010
question it seems like that's still a

1208
00:52:57,580 --> 00:52:55,550
very common opinion as well but that you

1209
00:53:00,430 --> 00:52:57,590
have the yearly most trusted people

1210
00:53:02,890 --> 00:53:00,440
surveys and pharmacists still seem to be

1211
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:02,900
right up there which is why it surprised

1212
00:53:07,260 --> 00:53:04,850
me when you said that all the comments

1213
00:53:10,780 --> 00:53:07,270
on that article were universally

1214
00:53:12,310 --> 00:53:10,790
negative towards pharmacists so it would

1215
00:53:14,470 --> 00:53:12,320
appear there might be a bit of cognitive

1216
00:53:17,730 --> 00:53:14,480
dissonance going on where people still

1217
00:53:22,390 --> 00:53:17,740
trust them that don't at the same time

1218
00:53:24,790 --> 00:53:22,400
maybe one of the problems is I maybe my

1219
00:53:28,300 --> 00:53:24,800
memory is faulty but when I was a child

1220
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:28,310
I seem to remember that a pharmacy a

1221
00:53:35,530 --> 00:53:32,690
chemist shop was at least one pharmacist

1222
00:53:37,930 --> 00:53:35,540
and maybe one assistant these days there

1223
00:53:41,260 --> 00:53:37,940
seem to be ten assistance and still only

1224
00:53:43,150 --> 00:53:41,270
one pharmacist so if you go in to ask

1225
00:53:44,980 --> 00:53:43,160
advice chances are you're not going to

1226
00:53:49,300 --> 00:53:44,990
get the advice of the pharmacist but on

1227
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:49,310
one of the assistants and you could also

1228
00:53:54,340 --> 00:53:51,410
be getting advice from the resident

1229
00:53:56,620 --> 00:53:54,350
naturopath or the arid ologist or the

1230
00:53:59,680 --> 00:53:56,630
irreligious that pharmacy we went into

1231
00:54:02,770 --> 00:53:59,690
day gym every week has an iridology

1232
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:02,780
reader come in you know reading no you

1233
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:04,490
got the spot in your eye your foots

1234
00:54:11,770 --> 00:54:09,770
gonna fall off so 11 but Jeff it is that

1235
00:54:14,500 --> 00:54:11,780
preposterous though it is but don't ask

1236
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:14,510
an ear candle specialist for advice

1237
00:54:20,450 --> 00:54:17,130
because usually they can't hear you

1238
00:54:22,309 --> 00:54:20,460
oh dear yeah that's because they'd

1239
00:54:24,019 --> 00:54:22,319
rather got candle stuck in their ears or

1240
00:54:26,180 --> 00:54:24,029
they've blown their hearing because hot

1241
00:54:29,210 --> 00:54:26,190
wax is best every drop while you're here

1242
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:29,220
Jim why are you here can you spend a

1243
00:54:33,230 --> 00:54:30,930
moment or two to fill our listeners in a

1244
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:33,240
little bit about your background because

1245
00:54:38,329 --> 00:54:36,000
you're known yes behind you you're known

1246
00:54:40,999 --> 00:54:38,339
of course as our voiceover man who

1247
00:54:42,940 --> 00:54:41,009
introduces the show and the segment but

1248
00:54:46,609 --> 00:54:42,950
what can you tell our worldwide

1249
00:54:50,499 --> 00:54:46,619
listening base about yourself well she

1250
00:54:53,410 --> 00:54:50,509
was my basic background is radio and

1251
00:54:56,900 --> 00:54:53,420
three or four decades in radio

1252
00:54:59,319 --> 00:54:56,910
specializing in open line radio I regard

1253
00:55:02,329 --> 00:54:59,329
myself as one of the fairer open line

1254
00:55:04,700 --> 00:55:02,339
broadcasters in australian radio having

1255
00:55:07,609 --> 00:55:04,710
been number one in sydney and in

1256
00:55:10,700 --> 00:55:07,619
melbourne at different times with open

1257
00:55:13,490 --> 00:55:10,710
line and other areas including canberra

1258
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:13,500
her albury we'd either John Laws of your

1259
00:55:22,910 --> 00:55:16,170
day you know no no he was the John Laws

1260
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:22,920
of his day oh that's right i met you

1261
00:55:27,019 --> 00:55:24,930
originally when you did a late night

1262
00:55:28,819 --> 00:55:27,029
show on Radio 2 GB here and sit in the

1263
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:28,829
same station Rachel and I appear on now

1264
00:55:33,740 --> 00:55:31,410
occasion and Alan Jones not Alan Jones

1265
00:55:36,589 --> 00:55:33,750
yeah would that's here station yet yes

1266
00:55:39,650 --> 00:55:36,599
there's my i predate Alan being a 2gb

1267
00:55:43,069 --> 00:55:39,660
yes I used the opportunity of having

1268
00:55:44,539 --> 00:55:43,079
weekend midnight to dawns on 2gb I

1269
00:55:46,819 --> 00:55:44,549
figured that that was an opportunity

1270
00:55:49,759 --> 00:55:46,829
that a lot of radio announcers would cut

1271
00:55:53,029 --> 00:55:49,769
off an arm for so for three months I ran

1272
00:55:57,170 --> 00:55:53,039
Jim willsez nightclub I wrote 50 comedy

1273
00:55:59,509 --> 00:55:57,180
sketches a week for the two shows I had

1274
00:56:01,670 --> 00:55:59,519
guest of honor and each did a lot of

1275
00:56:03,740 --> 00:56:01,680
hard work just for the two shows and

1276
00:56:06,559 --> 00:56:03,750
eventually got a breakfast shift in the

1277
00:56:09,319 --> 00:56:06,569
nation's capital out of it so he paid

1278
00:56:11,420 --> 00:56:09,329
back it paid well with its dividend and

1279
00:56:13,130 --> 00:56:11,430
I went on to be number one in Canberra

1280
00:56:15,559 --> 00:56:13,140
with that halts and so on that led to

1281
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:15,569
going to Melbourne where I said I was

1282
00:56:22,099 --> 00:56:19,650
number one even beat the the FM stations

1283
00:56:24,140 --> 00:56:22,109
in melbourne with an am station so it

1284
00:56:25,970 --> 00:56:24,150
was good fun eventually I got out

1285
00:56:28,819 --> 00:56:25,980
because unfortunately the problem with

1286
00:56:30,170 --> 00:56:28,829
radio is that failed radio announcers

1287
00:56:32,420 --> 00:56:30,180
generally become the man

1288
00:56:34,940 --> 00:56:32,430
jizz and the program managers and

1289
00:56:37,220 --> 00:56:34,950
there's nothing worse than being told by

1290
00:56:43,340 --> 00:56:37,230
a failure what to do when you're a

1291
00:56:45,470 --> 00:56:43,350
success idea now you are relating to be

1292
00:56:47,540 --> 00:56:45,480
a story a little while ago about the

1293
00:56:50,510 --> 00:56:47,550
time you were taking open line talkback

1294
00:56:53,510 --> 00:56:50,520
and you had somebody calling themselves

1295
00:56:55,700 --> 00:56:53,520
a numerologist coming I was filling in

1296
00:56:58,130 --> 00:56:55,710
for another person who had taken an

1297
00:57:00,770 --> 00:56:58,140
extended break had a midnight to dawn

1298
00:57:02,990 --> 00:57:00,780
show which included a lot of open line

1299
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:03,000
and guests and it was a regular guest

1300
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:06,930
who was a numerologist that freaked me

1301
00:57:11,870 --> 00:57:09,090
out a bit but I was prepared to go along

1302
00:57:14,300 --> 00:57:11,880
with it for the sheer fun of the

1303
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:14,310
exercise and as long as it was treated

1304
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:18,810
as a fun exercise I saw no great danger

1305
00:57:26,450 --> 00:57:22,770
in it until we got a call from an old

1306
00:57:29,210 --> 00:57:26,460
lady and part of what the numerologist

1307
00:57:32,450 --> 00:57:29,220
wanted to know was her street number and

1308
00:57:35,990 --> 00:57:32,460
based on her street number he told her

1309
00:57:38,390 --> 00:57:36,000
to move house now to me that was

1310
00:57:40,940 --> 00:57:38,400
incredibly dangerous you can imagine the

1311
00:57:42,830 --> 00:57:40,950
sort of drama that that could cause to

1312
00:57:46,220 --> 00:57:42,840
the old lady to the family of the old

1313
00:57:48,740 --> 00:57:46,230
lady to everyone involved and I kicked

1314
00:57:52,340 --> 00:57:48,750
him out of the studio I refused to have

1315
00:57:56,110 --> 00:57:52,350
him on the program and I got nothing but

1316
00:57:59,810 --> 00:57:56,120
plaudits nobody condemn me for doing it

1317
00:58:02,480 --> 00:57:59,820
right because numerology is particularly

1318
00:58:08,270 --> 00:58:02,490
a particularly insane branch of what

1319
00:58:10,490 --> 00:58:08,280
just doesn't the head up there's

1320
00:58:13,190 --> 00:58:10,500
something I realized us now yes here's

1321
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:13,200
why you're such good friends I had this

1322
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:15,810
revelation and you know also Jim is very

1323
00:58:20,150 --> 00:58:17,490
good friends with Richards brother Jeff

1324
00:58:24,110 --> 00:58:20,160
who is almost worse than Richard when it

1325
00:58:26,980 --> 00:58:24,120
comes to bed no almost I would say so I

1326
00:58:29,710 --> 00:58:26,990
can see why they're all friends yeah

1327
00:58:33,270 --> 00:58:29,720
it's anyway getting back to the think

1328
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:33,280
tank but now it's really fat as I said

1329
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:36,530
ya bunge it's fantastic that jim has

1330
00:58:41,140 --> 00:58:39,650
come up to visit and we'll have to

1331
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:41,150
encourage him to come up more often I

1332
00:58:45,910 --> 00:58:42,890
think it's really great to see your

1333
00:58:48,100 --> 00:58:45,920
human as listeners that would know

1334
00:58:50,380 --> 00:58:48,110
earlier in the in the episode today's

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episode I played a upon the gym read

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last night live at skeptics in the pub

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which was great there was good fun thank

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you yeah and that's going to be

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published in the skeptic magazine by the

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way which is also fantastic speaking of

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skeptics in the pub we were had a good

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night Rachel congratulations on your

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talk at skeptics in the pub thanks i

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really enjoy giving that talk that's dr.

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Google isn't it yeah diagnosis by dr.

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google which is the same we're not quite

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the same talk you gave the other week at

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that big festival big ideas you've

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improved upon it someone well I extended

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expanded on it as well and one thing

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that I did cover last night which a lot

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00:59:32,770 --> 00:59:29,710
of people have since asked me about the

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hon code and horny stands for health on

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the net foundation it's a non-government

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organization based in Switzerland so at

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some dub dub dub haunts eh for

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Switzerland and basically it's been

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around in since 95 it's a non-profit

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non-government and it's um focused on

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the provision of health information to

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citizens and what it does is it is a

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sort of indication of a website that has

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accurate health information on the

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internet right so you can submit your

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website to these people they'll look at

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it and if they deem that it's it's

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useful and it's accurate and it's um

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evidently evidence-based here they'll

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give you the science based remote

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science-based yeah they'll give you this

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little code that you can put on your

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website which is indicative that it's

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some yeah reliable online health

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01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:30,910
information but one of the things that I

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talked about last night is you can use

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it as a search engine as well so if you

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are looking for information

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and you want to make sure that it's

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01:00:46,019 --> 01:00:43,039
reliable you can go on to Han and you

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01:00:48,430 --> 01:00:46,029
can do a search for a particular topic

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01:00:50,380 --> 01:00:48,440
for example vaccination and it will

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01:00:53,289 --> 01:00:50,390
bring up it will search the millions of

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horn accredited websites and then it

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01:00:57,039 --> 01:00:55,579
also gives you a little menu where you

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can select whether you want information

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for health professionals for a member of

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the public if you want it to be

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information for teenagers for young

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children for old people so then you can

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filter even further from that those

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01:01:13,539 --> 01:01:11,869
research results that you get up so a

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lot of people ask me about it so the

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website is hom CH and it's really useful

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I've been asked by our good friend Lucas

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Randall hi Lucas Lucas is the wonderful

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01:01:28,690 --> 01:01:26,720
man who donated the video camera to the

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skeptics on which we still use and I'll

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get to that in a second to mention a new

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skeptics in the pub it's the Melbourne

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eastern hills skeptics in the pub or man

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for sure man yeah man Oh No yay James

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come on you've got something g 4 6 7 8

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gb 7 and you can melbourne eastern hills

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people have a look at the HTTP colon

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slash slash groups group HTTP colon

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slash slash group spaces com / math em

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01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:12,829
eh Matt hyphen s I TP or just do a

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search for Melbourne eastern hills

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01:02:21,279 --> 01:02:18,859
skeptics bit of a mouthful but I'm sure

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01:02:25,230 --> 01:02:21,289
you'll find it there or maybe it will

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01:02:32,980 --> 01:02:28,210
this is dr. Rachel sound effects machine

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01:02:34,570 --> 01:02:32,990
otherwise ezer iPad what was that a run

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01:02:37,660 --> 01:02:34,580
that I thought maybe you could put the

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link in the newsletter absolutely the

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link will be on our website and in the

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01:02:47,500 --> 01:02:45,040
newsletter and Rachel oh thank you and

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01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:47,510
just to remind our listeners that yes I

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i used the wonderful video camera

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01:02:54,700 --> 01:02:52,340
donated by Lucas Randall just this last

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weekend and earlier in the show we had a

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01:02:59,770 --> 01:02:57,140
report from Armageddon dr. HC where you

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01:03:02,170 --> 01:02:59,780
and I may not work were there yeah that

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01:03:04,420 --> 01:03:02,180
was fun and may night might mean our

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01:03:07,390 --> 01:03:04,430
than I as you know we also recorded a

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01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:07,400
video report yeah we may not jumps up

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01:03:11,350 --> 01:03:09,290
and down on the spot for 20 seconds for

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01:03:14,050 --> 01:03:11,360
no reason as well but he does that yeah

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01:03:16,060 --> 01:03:14,060
he does do that he does is it true that

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01:03:21,630 --> 01:03:16,070
at the end of that he said i'ma getting

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01:03:26,890 --> 01:03:24,490
someone take that away now if you go to

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01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:26,900
my youtube channel which is skeptics own

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01:03:31,060 --> 01:03:29,090
podcast let's name on my youtube channel

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01:03:33,220 --> 01:03:31,070
you'll see Maynard's report but i'll

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certainly put the link into the show

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01:03:38,050 --> 01:03:35,930
notes and the newsletter now before we

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01:03:44,500 --> 01:03:38,060
wrap it up a good friend of ours is

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01:03:46,780 --> 01:03:44,510
Norwegian Norwegian dr. hu Oh what just

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01:03:50,020 --> 01:03:46,790
like our lovely guest earlier in the

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01:03:52,660 --> 01:03:50,030
episode a friend of his has been

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01:03:54,790 --> 01:03:52,670
involved in making a movie called wasted

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01:03:56,740 --> 01:03:54,800
on the young and it's got very good mood

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01:04:00,820 --> 01:03:56,750
movie review so those people in

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01:04:05,260 --> 01:04:00,830
Australia I get why not go along and see

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01:04:08,020 --> 01:04:05,270
wasted on the young also big brief I'll

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01:04:10,930 --> 01:04:08,030
certainly be going along to see that and

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01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:10,940
all if you can just control yourself dr.

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01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:12,530
agian tell us about scared to come in

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01:04:15,940 --> 01:04:14,330
public without you know what's funnier

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01:04:18,250 --> 01:04:15,950
than the sounds the fact that she

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01:04:20,020 --> 01:04:18,260
actually knows exactly what she needs to

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01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:20,030
pressure you know regarding everything

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01:04:25,130 --> 01:04:22,970
it's like it's all other fingertips you

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01:04:28,620 --> 01:04:25,140
know so you bought me this app

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01:04:30,870 --> 01:04:28,630
hi I did before we go Rachel you have a

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01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:30,880
important note about Sydney skeptics in

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01:04:36,690 --> 01:04:33,730
the pub yes we have moved to a new venue

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01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:36,700
and we hope this is the final change for

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at least a few months anyway because

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01:04:41,910 --> 01:04:39,579
we've been chopping and changing a bit

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01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:41,920
lately we actually got kicked out of our

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01:04:46,650 --> 01:04:43,450
previous pub because I didn't like the

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01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:46,660
cut of our jib as you say so we're now

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at the Macquarie hotel in Surry Hills

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which is only a block away from our

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01:04:55,049 --> 01:04:53,440
original venue which is the crown so

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01:04:59,130 --> 01:04:55,059
it's on the corner of Goulburn street

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01:05:02,400 --> 01:04:59,140
and something else went work you're

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01:05:03,900 --> 01:05:02,410
right so if you were at the crown you

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01:05:05,370 --> 01:05:03,910
would just walk one block towards surry

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01:05:07,319 --> 01:05:05,380
hills and you'll see right in front of

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you the Macquarie it's on the corner

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01:05:10,859 --> 01:05:09,130
it's a very big pub and we're upstairs

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01:05:13,799 --> 01:05:10,869
only upstairs in the restaurant that's

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01:05:15,630 --> 01:05:13,809
right yeah yeah and it was again

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01:05:17,759 --> 01:05:15,640
congratulations on your doctor google

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01:05:21,599 --> 01:05:17,769
talk I like that talk a lot it's very

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01:05:25,410 --> 01:05:21,609
entertaining and very informative I will

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01:05:27,599 --> 01:05:25,420
do the talk for food okay too much time

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01:05:31,170 --> 01:05:27,609
you can do it for my stuff oh okay hey

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01:05:33,210 --> 01:05:31,180
you got invitation already okay well

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01:05:34,950 --> 01:05:33,220
what a fantastic time it's been as ever

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01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:34,960
in the think tank we love coming here

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01:05:38,970 --> 01:05:36,970
and down at our paper club down the end

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01:05:41,099 --> 01:05:38,980
of street James thank you for coming on

1485
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:41,109
a lot of problems great be and you're

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01:05:47,130 --> 01:05:42,970
wearing a little pendant from surly Amy

1487
01:05:49,470 --> 01:05:47,140
that says no pants cost ya no comment he

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01:05:50,910 --> 01:05:49,480
can make to that Steve thank you so much

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01:05:52,759 --> 01:05:50,920
for coming on and thank you for the

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01:05:55,349 --> 01:05:52,769
invitation I was wonderful my pleasure

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01:05:58,109 --> 01:05:55,359
Diane nice to see you as always ain't no

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01:06:04,650 --> 01:05:58,119
cheap and Iran segev thank you Richard

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01:06:09,089 --> 01:06:04,660
dr. raging oh hell special guest tonight

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01:06:12,829 --> 01:06:09,099
Jim Wilson thank you all and until next

1495
01:06:15,150 --> 01:06:12,839
time if we can survive dr. Rachel's

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01:06:16,799 --> 01:06:15,160
sound effects she's gonna see Scott have

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01:06:45,590 --> 01:06:16,809
comes just ready to press some its

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01:06:50,310 --> 01:06:47,760
Richard you've done it again another

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01:06:51,990 --> 01:06:50,320
skeptic zone in the can bicker it wasn't

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01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:52,000
that fun it was great feels great to

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01:06:56,910 --> 01:06:54,250
have Jim involved with the think tank

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01:06:58,380 --> 01:06:56,920
actually in person as a actual human

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01:07:00,390 --> 01:06:58,390
being rather than just some sort of

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01:07:02,310 --> 01:07:00,400
audio signal coming through from I don't

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01:07:05,700 --> 01:07:02,320
know where what was it like Jim for you

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01:07:09,150 --> 01:07:05,710
well the thing to me was that I was

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01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:09,160
right when reality bites there's no cure

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01:07:16,290 --> 01:07:13,330
ooh that's deep oh I don't know what to

1509
01:07:18,510 --> 01:07:16,300
say about that its brief profound now

1510
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:18,520
Jim of course Stefan Jim will be taking

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01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:20,290
part in helping us with our secret

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01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:23,530
project oh yes yeah are you trying to

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01:07:26,970 --> 01:07:25,450
hype up our audience a little bit I I am

1514
01:07:28,230 --> 01:07:26,980
this on the way you're trying to whet

1515
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:28,240
their appetite for something they don't

1516
01:07:33,900 --> 01:07:30,010
know anything about later nothing about

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01:07:36,060 --> 01:07:33,910
it they can't even guess it is pretty

1518
01:07:38,310 --> 01:07:36,070
exciting we are where we are planning a

1519
01:07:41,460 --> 01:07:38,320
little thing but the other hand so you

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01:07:45,150 --> 01:07:41,470
know that we're sort of coming up in the

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01:07:48,660 --> 01:07:45,160
next month's to episode 150 oh and this

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01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:48,670
has nothing to do with that at least

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01:07:53,820 --> 01:07:51,370
we'll get them thinking hey wondering

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01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:53,830
secret project all right so Richard I

1525
01:07:57,870 --> 01:07:56,290
think that's it 124 we're done thank you

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01:07:59,520 --> 01:07:57,880
for listening it's been another another

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01:08:01,650 --> 01:07:59,530
great week yeah thank you very much a

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01:08:04,020 --> 01:08:01,660
bit lots of great things coming up on

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01:08:05,220 --> 01:08:04,030
the skeptic zone well Richard let's just

1530
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:05,230
let's just get out of here and we'll see

1531
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:06,970
you next week thanks Devon and thank you

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01:08:15,590 --> 01:08:09,130
Jim for taking part this week in the

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01:08:22,940 --> 01:08:17,990
you've been listening to the skeptic

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01:08:26,750 --> 01:08:22,950
zone visit her website at www skeptic